I am a legal immigrant ( green card holder and tax payer ) and cannot vote or claim Social Security , so how can they say that illegal immigrants con do these things is beyond me
Unfortunately, I'm not counting on the mainstream media to do anything to counteract these lies. They didn't in 2020 and they show very few signs of doing anything to remedy that now. Hopefully the Secretaries of State will be successful in getting the message out to voters. This is unbelievably exhausting. Year after year of this crap.
Unsurprisingly, the disinfo on immigrants voting is another "open border" spin point. It's blatant racism as what the scare tactics are doing is stoking the fires of "future voters." Meaning, legally immigrants can't vote until they become citizens several years after arriving. But who will they vote for? It's unknown, but the radical, white, racist voting contingent will most certainly be outnumbered by low birth rates and pure numerics in a way that their vision for society won't and cannot be sustained. The real American dream of inclusion and freedom will win out (without cheating) and the radicals know it
What's he gonna say when Texas (gasp!) votes for Trump? Texas is the state always shown with immigrants crossing the border so Texas has the most immigrants, right? If all those immigrants are coming to vote for Biden, why will Texas still go for Trump(unfortunately)?
Thanks for this deep dive, Jay. I had forgotten about being a “registered alien” for quite a few years. When I became a citizen with voting rights I think my first vote was for Hubert Humphrey? Have to check when that occurred.
I figured that would be the reason for the "big steal" 2024 conspiracy theory. I had figured it out in 2019 & 2020 when he was complaining about mail in ballots. COVID had hit and we had far more mail in ballots than ever. Good thing is it's obvious and hopefully people will see it.
Remember in 2016 when Trump won the electoral college that he claimed that Clinton's 3 million vote margin in the popular vote was because of non-citizens? This isn't new. He keeps recycling old racist conspiracies.
Trump is not making any serious effort to actually contest the election. He's too fucking lazy and probably afraid of providing additional evidence of his rapidly progressing dementia (when he can think that clearly). It's much easier to claim victory and hope his minions can sabotage the election enough to undermine it. We must register voters, educate voters and turn out voters. And we must refuse to be intimidated by thrests and acts of violence by Trump's supporters.
In some sense they are correct. By Republican standards women and Americas youth are aliens to them. It is clear they don't understand them or they would not be making Abortion, IVF and if rumors are correct birth control illegal. They also would welcome student debt relief and expanding social security, and health care benefits. How about child tax credits. So, these ideas seem to be so foreign to their ideas of make rich white men richer. That is their entire party platform.
I suppose the furor may revolve around subsection c of the statute (which was added in 2020 when I really do believe the GOP controlled the Senate).
(c)Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if—
(1)each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization);
(2)the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and
(3)the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.
this obviously addresses in the main kids brought to the US whose parents then gained citizenship and the kids grew up watching them vote and assumed they could too. (It's not the same situation of DACA kids, who know they can't vote).
It basically says that such kid might vote once but after getting told s/he can't, voting again would not be reasonable. No punishment for that one time. Hardly a horde.
But it's more about those "lying aliens" which the GOP sees in such numbers because of course, everyone lies about things, as evidenced by their own practice. I'm guessing they are going to require birth certificates. That is a problem for a LOT of people because they can't get one--either they aren't sure exactly where they were born, or the place they were filed has burned down, or similar.
And even ordinary born in the USA citizens can get caught. I went on a cruise that made a stop in Canada, so I needed a passport or enhanced drivers license. I've had passports since I was 12, but the last one had expired. Given the length of time passport renewals were taking, I thought I'd better also apply for an enhanced DL. THAT required a certified copy of my birth certificate, so I wrote to the state.
Time passed. My passport arrived. My certified copy seemed lost in the depths of bureaucracy. Finally, shortly before the trip, it arrived. And both my name and my father's name were misspelled.
I have a uncertified copy of my birth certificate, so I KNOW the original didn't have the misspelling. But what I got was useless to get an enhanced DL. Since the passport was here, I bagged that process. But think what would have happened to my right to vote if I'd moved to a different state, didn't have a passport, and confronted this stupid error.
I've told this story a couple of places: apologies if it was here.
Dumpy laid the groundwork for his Big Lie during the summer of 2020. He began claiming in his rallies that the only way he'd lose the election was if it was rigged. His MAGAts were primed well before election day to believe the election was rigged against him.
I am a legal immigrant ( green card holder and tax payer ) and cannot vote or claim Social Security , so how can they say that illegal immigrants con do these things is beyond me
What was once "yellow journalism" has morphed into something much darker. Perhaps we should call it "orange journalism?"
Musk complaining about immigrants...irony is dead.
Unfortunately, I'm not counting on the mainstream media to do anything to counteract these lies. They didn't in 2020 and they show very few signs of doing anything to remedy that now. Hopefully the Secretaries of State will be successful in getting the message out to voters. This is unbelievably exhausting. Year after year of this crap.
Unsurprisingly, the disinfo on immigrants voting is another "open border" spin point. It's blatant racism as what the scare tactics are doing is stoking the fires of "future voters." Meaning, legally immigrants can't vote until they become citizens several years after arriving. But who will they vote for? It's unknown, but the radical, white, racist voting contingent will most certainly be outnumbered by low birth rates and pure numerics in a way that their vision for society won't and cannot be sustained. The real American dream of inclusion and freedom will win out (without cheating) and the radicals know it
What's he gonna say when Texas (gasp!) votes for Trump? Texas is the state always shown with immigrants crossing the border so Texas has the most immigrants, right? If all those immigrants are coming to vote for Biden, why will Texas still go for Trump(unfortunately)?
An excellent article. I’ve shared it on ex-Twitter in an effort to spread the word.
Thanks for this deep dive, Jay. I had forgotten about being a “registered alien” for quite a few years. When I became a citizen with voting rights I think my first vote was for Hubert Humphrey? Have to check when that occurred.
I figured that would be the reason for the "big steal" 2024 conspiracy theory. I had figured it out in 2019 & 2020 when he was complaining about mail in ballots. COVID had hit and we had far more mail in ballots than ever. Good thing is it's obvious and hopefully people will see it.
Remember in 2016 when Trump won the electoral college that he claimed that Clinton's 3 million vote margin in the popular vote was because of non-citizens? This isn't new. He keeps recycling old racist conspiracies.
Trump is not making any serious effort to actually contest the election. He's too fucking lazy and probably afraid of providing additional evidence of his rapidly progressing dementia (when he can think that clearly). It's much easier to claim victory and hope his minions can sabotage the election enough to undermine it. We must register voters, educate voters and turn out voters. And we must refuse to be intimidated by thrests and acts of violence by Trump's supporters.
In some sense they are correct. By Republican standards women and Americas youth are aliens to them. It is clear they don't understand them or they would not be making Abortion, IVF and if rumors are correct birth control illegal. They also would welcome student debt relief and expanding social security, and health care benefits. How about child tax credits. So, these ideas seem to be so foreign to their ideas of make rich white men richer. That is their entire party platform.
Bottom line: According to Republicans the election will only be legitimate if TFG wins.
I suppose the furor may revolve around subsection c of the statute (which was added in 2020 when I really do believe the GOP controlled the Senate).
(c)Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if—
(1)each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization);
(2)the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and
(3)the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.
this obviously addresses in the main kids brought to the US whose parents then gained citizenship and the kids grew up watching them vote and assumed they could too. (It's not the same situation of DACA kids, who know they can't vote).
It basically says that such kid might vote once but after getting told s/he can't, voting again would not be reasonable. No punishment for that one time. Hardly a horde.
But it's more about those "lying aliens" which the GOP sees in such numbers because of course, everyone lies about things, as evidenced by their own practice. I'm guessing they are going to require birth certificates. That is a problem for a LOT of people because they can't get one--either they aren't sure exactly where they were born, or the place they were filed has burned down, or similar.
And even ordinary born in the USA citizens can get caught. I went on a cruise that made a stop in Canada, so I needed a passport or enhanced drivers license. I've had passports since I was 12, but the last one had expired. Given the length of time passport renewals were taking, I thought I'd better also apply for an enhanced DL. THAT required a certified copy of my birth certificate, so I wrote to the state.
Time passed. My passport arrived. My certified copy seemed lost in the depths of bureaucracy. Finally, shortly before the trip, it arrived. And both my name and my father's name were misspelled.
I have a uncertified copy of my birth certificate, so I KNOW the original didn't have the misspelling. But what I got was useless to get an enhanced DL. Since the passport was here, I bagged that process. But think what would have happened to my right to vote if I'd moved to a different state, didn't have a passport, and confronted this stupid error.
I've told this story a couple of places: apologies if it was here.
Dumpy laid the groundwork for his Big Lie during the summer of 2020. He began claiming in his rallies that the only way he'd lose the election was if it was rigged. His MAGAts were primed well before election day to believe the election was rigged against him.
Gosh, I am soooo tired of Donald Trump and his lies. Is there no end to his bullshit????