Buttigieg is great at calmly pushing back on maga lies and explaining how the Dem position is better for the voters. BUT … like you said, there aren’t many that can do it like he does. He’s great at it. Also, it’s too wonky to grab attention if the masses flooded with nonsense on their social media. Unfortunately, we need an attention counterweight to The MAGA attention propagandists. So that means more fighting back democrats that can get that quick attention.
Jerry Brown in '92 and Bernie Sanders in 2016 showed us the Buttigiege way quite clearly--Don't take the bate, stay on a cogent message, and corporate funding isn't needed.
There are protests, strikes, and boycotts… I say we pay no jncome tax to this gov’t. Billionaires don’t. We don’t agree with ANYTHING they’re doing with taxpayer dollars—don’t enable them!
Well, I say, let them own the Libs for just the right amount of time, when they actually get truly hungry because prices are so high and the man they put on a pedestal has done nothing but fuck them over. Then the liberals can come back, and decency can begin again.
Your suggestion of dialogue is Nieve. We are truly in a war : Democracy vs Capitalism. There is tremendous money being spent to destroy our government.
Perhaps there’s a third way, best represented by Secretary Pete Buttigieg’s style of discourse. He combines a willingness to engage and actually listen to the other side with a sturdy defense of Democratic values. Buttigieg is not afraid to go on Fox News and other outlets where Republicans are tuned in. He looks past the bad behavior and taunts of the MAGA right and tries instead to get at the heart of why they feel aggrieved, even when that grievance is tainted with racism and misogyny. He then seeks to find common ground, at least on some level. He always presents a path forward, even if it is an aspirational one, where the two sides can treat each other as people caught in the same dysfunctional system, yet all with a shared need for security, health, and community.
It may be too lofty for these rough and tumble times. And there are few in the Democratic Party who can actually step into this role with the skill of Buttigieg and consistently resist the urge to condemn the other side as irredeemable monsters. Few leaders will bother to try and unpack whatever it is that drives the dangerous nihilism at the core of the MAGA right.
But considering the incredibly high stakes, more Buttigieges may be sorely needed if we are ever to escape the downward pull of Trumpian nihilism.
You really got to the heart of the issue, I get it now. Everything makes so much more sense now. But my remaining question is- why do they hate us so much??
A lot of words which don't say much. How does anyone promote significant change without the least examination of the political structure of the society which they are trying to change? How do you change a republic?
Isn't democracy about the people and how they hold the power? Why look out for more Buttigieges doing the job for you? Why don't Americans take it to the streets? Without the people willing to save their democracy that democracy is already gone.
I think that we are still finding our way through this mess. We've never had a coup before. We might not recognize it as an actual treat to overturn our government and Constitution. Our Constitution doesn't provide guidlines on stopping a coup.
As the chaos worsens and ordinary people are directly affected, the MAGAS might realize that the orange blight isn't who they thought they wanted or voted for. It's the people who are cheering this destruction on that worry and scare me. The people who believe that our government is corrupt and want it torn down. They are angry with no clear idea of what they are angry about. Worst of all, they have no plan on how to fix or rebuild our government and Constitution. They are far more dangerous than MAGAS, white supremacists and religious zealots, because they don't stand for anything, they're just angry.
Who in the Democratic Party will take the lead? Great ideas end up stuck in neutral. It's tough to counter the onslaught on both Truth Social and X . . . never mind Fox . . . without sustained counterattack. This will require significant, sustained effort. The sooner it begins the better for our nation. Now, who will take the lead?
There is a FOURTH way to fight tRump and the Repugnants — call them out for every betrayal of their base, for every heedless cut that hurts red states,
and tRump voters (Farmers have been betrayed, soon enough others will feel it too). Make them OWN the rising prices and every disaster that happens on their watch. Why are they firing federal workers? So they can give tax cuts to billionaires! What exactly are tRump voters getting? Deportation theater to distract them while they’re being robbed.
And the second part of this 4th method is to bring a new vision, some real, engaged LEADERSHIP, ideas that are actually meaningful to a majority of Americans, expressed in vivid language and images — in a word, INSPIRATION.
Dems may not be capable of stepping into this role — they are too stuck in old ways and enmeshed in issues that turn off too many voters (if Dems could drop the fringe issues and instead appeal to the common decency of most Americans, they’d be much better able to actually help the minority groups, like trans people!)
What about if someone like Buttigiege, and others, went on Fox and calmly and clearly explained how these budget cuts and firings will affect the viewers. Talk about the individual impacts: some of the viewers have cancer; maybe they're being treated. Guess where that came from? etc. etc. Bring it home to these people.
This is shallow, maybe, but maybe it's not. Looking at that photo of all those juiced up men made me think it's no wonder how many of them are INCELS. A lot, I bet.
Pete Buttigieg is the one Democrat most able to combat Trumpism today. He carries baggage that the Right will try to exploit. That said, he represents the best hope for a democratic, with a small D, outcome.
Buttigieg is great at calmly pushing back on maga lies and explaining how the Dem position is better for the voters. BUT … like you said, there aren’t many that can do it like he does. He’s great at it. Also, it’s too wonky to grab attention if the masses flooded with nonsense on their social media. Unfortunately, we need an attention counterweight to The MAGA attention propagandists. So that means more fighting back democrats that can get that quick attention.
Jerry Brown in '92 and Bernie Sanders in 2016 showed us the Buttigiege way quite clearly--Don't take the bate, stay on a cogent message, and corporate funding isn't needed.
There are protests, strikes, and boycotts… I say we pay no jncome tax to this gov’t. Billionaires don’t. We don’t agree with ANYTHING they’re doing with taxpayer dollars—don’t enable them!
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Well, I say, let them own the Libs for just the right amount of time, when they actually get truly hungry because prices are so high and the man they put on a pedestal has done nothing but fuck them over. Then the liberals can come back, and decency can begin again.
Your suggestion of dialogue is Nieve. We are truly in a war : Democracy vs Capitalism. There is tremendous money being spent to destroy our government.
Perhaps there’s a third way, best represented by Secretary Pete Buttigieg’s style of discourse. He combines a willingness to engage and actually listen to the other side with a sturdy defense of Democratic values. Buttigieg is not afraid to go on Fox News and other outlets where Republicans are tuned in. He looks past the bad behavior and taunts of the MAGA right and tries instead to get at the heart of why they feel aggrieved, even when that grievance is tainted with racism and misogyny. He then seeks to find common ground, at least on some level. He always presents a path forward, even if it is an aspirational one, where the two sides can treat each other as people caught in the same dysfunctional system, yet all with a shared need for security, health, and community.
It may be too lofty for these rough and tumble times. And there are few in the Democratic Party who can actually step into this role with the skill of Buttigieg and consistently resist the urge to condemn the other side as irredeemable monsters. Few leaders will bother to try and unpack whatever it is that drives the dangerous nihilism at the core of the MAGA right.
But considering the incredibly high stakes, more Buttigieges may be sorely needed if we are ever to escape the downward pull of Trumpian nihilism.
AOC does well with Pete's style of communication too. What about a Pete & AOC pair-up for the next presidential election?
You really got to the heart of the issue, I get it now. Everything makes so much more sense now. But my remaining question is- why do they hate us so much??
A lot of words which don't say much. How does anyone promote significant change without the least examination of the political structure of the society which they are trying to change? How do you change a republic?
Isn't democracy about the people and how they hold the power? Why look out for more Buttigieges doing the job for you? Why don't Americans take it to the streets? Without the people willing to save their democracy that democracy is already gone.
I think that we are still finding our way through this mess. We've never had a coup before. We might not recognize it as an actual treat to overturn our government and Constitution. Our Constitution doesn't provide guidlines on stopping a coup.
As the chaos worsens and ordinary people are directly affected, the MAGAS might realize that the orange blight isn't who they thought they wanted or voted for. It's the people who are cheering this destruction on that worry and scare me. The people who believe that our government is corrupt and want it torn down. They are angry with no clear idea of what they are angry about. Worst of all, they have no plan on how to fix or rebuild our government and Constitution. They are far more dangerous than MAGAS, white supremacists and religious zealots, because they don't stand for anything, they're just angry.
Who in the Democratic Party will take the lead? Great ideas end up stuck in neutral. It's tough to counter the onslaught on both Truth Social and X . . . never mind Fox . . . without sustained counterattack. This will require significant, sustained effort. The sooner it begins the better for our nation. Now, who will take the lead?
There is a FOURTH way to fight tRump and the Repugnants — call them out for every betrayal of their base, for every heedless cut that hurts red states,
and tRump voters (Farmers have been betrayed, soon enough others will feel it too). Make them OWN the rising prices and every disaster that happens on their watch. Why are they firing federal workers? So they can give tax cuts to billionaires! What exactly are tRump voters getting? Deportation theater to distract them while they’re being robbed.
And the second part of this 4th method is to bring a new vision, some real, engaged LEADERSHIP, ideas that are actually meaningful to a majority of Americans, expressed in vivid language and images — in a word, INSPIRATION.
Dems may not be capable of stepping into this role — they are too stuck in old ways and enmeshed in issues that turn off too many voters (if Dems could drop the fringe issues and instead appeal to the common decency of most Americans, they’d be much better able to actually help the minority groups, like trans people!)
What about if someone like Buttigiege, and others, went on Fox and calmly and clearly explained how these budget cuts and firings will affect the viewers. Talk about the individual impacts: some of the viewers have cancer; maybe they're being treated. Guess where that came from? etc. etc. Bring it home to these people.
This is shallow, maybe, but maybe it's not. Looking at that photo of all those juiced up men made me think it's no wonder how many of them are INCELS. A lot, I bet.
Pete Buttigieg is the one Democrat most able to combat Trumpism today. He carries baggage that the Right will try to exploit. That said, he represents the best hope for a democratic, with a small D, outcome.