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Jay Scott's avatar

“Meanwhile, the ICE officers try to shrug off any responsibility, claiming that they are just doing what the government tells them to do.”

This excuse did not work for the NAZI’s at Nuremberg.

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HarrisWalz FTW 2024's avatar

Current-day Nuremberg can't come soon enough.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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ABossy's avatar

Nice to say Just obeying orders, but notice their overly enthusiastic use of violence and intimidation. They love their job.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Jeffrey Jensen's avatar

Worse: it’s going to get people killed. No badge, face mask, unmarked van? That looks like kidnapping to me. It’s going to get people killed that are “just following orders.”

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Petra's avatar

Plus: Anyone can claim they are ICE - a good time for kidnappers in general

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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ƭεℓℓ ɦเɱ เ ɾεƒεɾɾε∂ ყσµ ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ!

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EcstaticRationalist's avatar

Just trying to raise awareness about this latest DOGE bullshit.

This is incredibly dangerous, as absurd as it seems. It is all Trump needs to arrest leading Democrats and opposition leaders, criminalize all opposition and declare martial law.

Pay attention over the weekend.

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/04/musks-unsupported-claim-to-have-unveiled-massive-illegal-voting-by-noncitizens/

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

Jackinsight

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John B's avatar

I'm sure I am not the only one, but anybody remember the Nuremberg Trials? One principle that was established as being generally accepted by all but the most recalcitrant of jurisdictions is that "I was just following orders." is not a valid defence. Following an unlawful order makes all persons in the chain of command below the origin of the order complicit in the crime. But of course, right now, no one in anything resembling a position of authority - not even the six a**holes on the Supreme Court - has the intestinal fortitude (a fancy turn of phrase I first heard from a teacher more than fifty years ago) to stand up and denounce these illegal orders or the person(s) responsible for them. THAT is why I derisively quote the last two phrases of the American national anthem, "Land of the free, home of the brave". Yeah, right

Caveat: I know that there are lots of people in the U.S. screaming about this, but they are being systematically shut out of any position in which they can make a dent.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Thomas E. Luebben's avatar

I heard a brief mention in a newscast of a few days ago (I don't recall the source) that Wired Magazine had obtained an unsigned copy of the contract between the U.S. (Trump White House or State Department) and El Salvador for the imprisonment of U.S. deportees, including Abrego Garcia. I've heard no further mention of the contract. I'm not a subscriber to Wired. I want the contract. Does anyone have a subscription to Wired and or an ability to find the contract? I'm also eager to see written agreements between the law firms and universities which have crumpled in the face of Trump's intimidation. Tluebbenlaw@msn.com.

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Flashman58's avatar

Nice having a lawyer in the house.

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kdsherpa's avatar

Wow! I hadn't heard about that. If there is a contract, it should be front and center EVERYWHERE.

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HarrisWalz FTW 2024's avatar

I can't find it in a search of their website.

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Flashman58's avatar

I sent the abrego garcia order.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Annabel Ascher's avatar

These are crimes against humanity and no one within their reach is safe from their grasp. I have been saying this for some time and been accused by certain activists of :fear mongering". Relaying news is not fear mongering. We SHOULD be afraid. But also have the courage to fight back any way we can.

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

My maternal grandmother (z”l) was so dear and so disliked discord. She would say “see the pretty birdie” if there was. Those of us who point out issues are facing those who want to “see the pretty birdie” - they are in denial. We will continue.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

Jackinsight

ƭεℓℓ ɦเɱ เ ɾεƒεɾɾε∂ ყσµ ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ!

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Stephen Brady's avatar

We now live in a dictatorship where Due Process went out the window. It is an unholy mixture of 20th Century dictatorships including the one in 1984. We may not have any (legal) tools here, if tRump invokes Martial Law. but, if he does, the economy will crash - Great Depression style.

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Geoff Anderson's avatar

I suspect that he does not care about destroying the economy. This is all his "mark" on America and the world.

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Charles Bastille's avatar

What a strange mark, though, for someone to want to leave. Who would want to be remembered this way? Not disagreeing with you, it's just a strange way to go out (and hopefully, he will soon via some coagulated Big Macs in his arteries)

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Disordered Thinking. We are currently ruled by people with numerous mental illnesses.

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Chjd's avatar

…leaving many in state of fear and resulting in a cumulative trauma response.

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Geoff Anderson's avatar

Somehow, it fits with his life’s arc. He has always felt ignored and slighted by the “elites”, strongly coveting their cachet, but perpetually an outsider, so if the way to being “immortal” is to destroy the world, at least he will be remembered for that.

It is said that he keeps a book of Hitler’s speeches on hand, possibly the only thing he has ever read and internalized, so it is not surprising that he sees that as a path to infamy.

But perhaps I ascribe way too much cogitation to his motivations. He seems to be perpetually stuck at an adolescent stage of development (this is probably why he and Musk gel so well) and his ID is dominant.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

I agree with Geoff Anderson - he cares not not apparently do the others if it all crashes. And it will.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

It was and is apparent that it is not good to elect a psychopath to the Presidency.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Douglas Kelso's avatar

Here's a question: can the ICE agents doing this stuff be arrested and charged with kidnapping in state courts for violating state law? I think that normally, supremacy clause immunity would shield them. But IIRC, supremacy clause immunity is an affirmative defense that applies when a federal officer or agent is acting under federal law. Would it still apply if federal courts have already said that the whole process is illegal under the constitution and federal law?

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

Good questions I’ve asked too. Some who are acting FOR ICE have been deputized just to do this. The regime has made their own rules, ignoring laws and precedents, going to SCOTUS for “emergency” decisions. In other countries, people storm their governments. That was tried for other bad reasons. I have “flight” & fight feelings. And I’m not likely to be targeted or so I think. Now tho bec of location and the threat to be carried out - to deport those born here with no criminal or misdemeanor records because of disagreement - I don’t know.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Flashman58's avatar

I'm not going willingly. I'm abroad right now, but when I return I'm going to address self defense and home protection. This is a war!

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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This is the fever dream of the cabal that started its takeover of the GOP during the administration of Ronny Raygun. At this point Steven Miller, Pam Bondi and others must be over the moon with what they’ve done. Trump just wants to be seen and adored, he doesn’t have enough brain power for all of this. But he is the puppet being used now and all of them need to be prosecuted and removed from office. And this includes those ancillary groups like the Heritage Foundation.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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He is about to start an terrorise America he will take non offenders. Anyone who has crossed him should be very careful now.

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Hi 👋🏼 I live 7 miles away from Matlock UK! Curious isn’t it ?

He is a dreadful man. He is exactly the kind who would morph into a Hitler/ Stalin sort.

I’m horrified for America and for the rest of us but particularly Ukrainian 🇺🇦

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Teressa Morris's avatar

My concern is if we do stop payments to El Salvador for the people we have already sent over, then El Salvador has no incentive to keep them alive.

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

They have no incentive now. I don’t think the US or El Salvador has names or knows where anyone is.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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I'm really getting tired of all the people beating around the bush avoiding what is the only answer to the situation we are facing. TRUMP HAS ABSOLUTE CONTROL. He told the governor of Maine to forget congress and the courts, that he is in total control. He essentially has a legal CHECKMATE. He just illegally deported an American citizen which is one of the complaints that The Declaration of Independence has against King George Iii in deporting British subjects illegally Trump is already there. The Declaration of Independence also points out that we have the right to separate from such a government that is doing the very same things Trump is doing right now. Republican reps are quoting Joseph Goebbels. They are totally backing up Trump all the way. So Trump has the power of a king. The only two options we have now is for all of the blue states and any other state that wants to live in a free democratic society to seceed from the union and join Canada. The other option is to wait, which will only result in a full blown civil war, it's just a matter of time until something snaps and war breaks out. The Canada option is a good one because with the blue states will add 160 million to Canada's 40 million. The remaining red states will have about 180 million. I think Trump is too much of a coward to attack a country with slightly larger population and perhaps slightly more resources. He will definitely attack Canada soon because he has an 8 to 1 advantage in population. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. We're heading for possible civil war so why not try a valid deterrent to prevent it. We have everything to lose by waiting for the inevitable.

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

How do we do this? How can DC very blue residents be part? Logistically how does it work?

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You would probably start with referendums in each state to see if the population would be receptive to the proposal. Then it would be voted on in the legislature to see if there would be a majority approving. It would be done democratically of course since we do believe in democracy. Then we go from there.

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

And who then other that states’ and territories’ Dem Parties are the best to begin?

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Roger Rasmussen's avatar

Well. I'll admit I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but the different aspects would have to be worked out within each state. The DC issue would be a complicated one. However. I wouldn't mind if someone who is well versed in these complicated legal areas to pick up the ball and run with it. I'm just presenting the basic principle involved and since this is an important issue to resolve there would be a whole bunch of people to figure this out. I wouldn't profess at all to want to even try to figure this all out by myself

I'm open to suggestions

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

I’m intrigued enough to present it to a few folks who might have ideas and will ask. No promises. After seeing the horror of MTG’s “town tasing”, I want to find those registered at GOP on local levels who’ve had it and have clout and are willing. When Medicaid & Medicare hit then the support for action should grow. But loyalty & the fervor of hate of immigrants is so great….

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Roger Rasmussen's avatar

Oh, just a footnote, this is something that even the overly legalistic Republicans could appreciate as an argument, is that nowhere in the US Constitution or any amendment specifically prohibits secession by any state or group of states. Nowhere to be found. Check it out

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Corrine Lerner's avatar

Every one of the attorneys on the government side needs to have a have a contempt complaint filed against them as members of their respective bars to be dis-barred. If you can't practice law properly to uphold your pledge to the Constitution, you can't be allowed to practice law anywhere. Who can file?

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Corrine Lerner's avatar

This looks like a hacked comment posing as Tristan Snell.

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Roger Rasmussen's avatar

Oh, another reason why the Canada option is a good one with the possible deterrent effect, is that it would force Trump to fire the first shot. If a civil war results, then the BLOOD IS ON HIS HANDS. This is something important enough to really think about seriously. I don't take any of this lightly. This is VERY SERIOUS. I do believe we have reached this point in our country and the evolution the Trump tyranny is taking. We must realize that things will get much worse if we wait. Does this seem like too drastic of an action. We are now living in desperate times and MUST TAKE DRASTIC ACTION IF WE ARE GOING TO SURVIVE. Praying now would definitely be very important too. Everyone in this country is in danger even to the extent of life and death.

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Richard Friedman's avatar

Ordinary protests haven’t proven effective. The next step is a general strike.

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

We had this conversation last night after dinner. The horror is that when immigrants have done that, they’ve lost jobs. And if with many more in a strike, become so visible. How can it be done? Really. I ask for methods. (DoD schools’ students are protesting removal of books & suing the govt.)

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Richard Friedman's avatar

This morning I was surprised and encouraged that former Labor Secretary Robert Reich also appears to be advocating a general strike and will be discussing it in more detail. I suggest following him on Substack and Facebook.

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

Saw that too. And do follow. Too many ppl fear job loss. How do we help them if??

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

The Boston Globe had a story of a Guatemalan couple who ICE tried to arrest while the couple was in their car. ICE said to get out. They called their lawyer and told ICE. The wife starting filming. ICE smashed the car window & hauled the husband out. He wasn’t even the one they were looking for. The photo from the video shows glee - fucking glee - on the officer’s face. I cannot comprehend the hate so many have for those who are like many of our families - the families of the ICE agents. Those arrested - sent to horror like they’d escaped - what -why -what is wrong with them? What is wrong with SCOTUS?

And if not the humanity, the “business case” of taxes lost, businesses closing for lack of workers. In none of the budget calculations have I seen anything that accounts for this huge loss.

How do we get through to anyone to stop this?

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ωεℓℓ αρρɾεcเαƭε∂. ƒσɾ ƭɦε ℓσѵε αɳ∂ รµρρσɾƭร ყσµ'ѵε αℓℓ รɦσωɳ ɱε αɳ∂ ɱყ ɳεωℓεƭƭεɾ เ'ℓℓ เɳƭɾσ∂µcε ყσµ ƭσ α ℓเƒε cɦαɳɠเɳɠ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ.

ɾεαcɦ σµƭ ƭσ ɱყ ρεɾรσɳαℓ ƭɾα∂ε αccσµɳƭ ɱαɳαɠεɾ ƒσɾ αɳ เɳѵεรƭɱεɳƭ ƭɦαƭ ωเℓℓ cɦαɳɠε ყσµɾ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ ℓเƒε. ɦε'ร ɳαɱε เร ʝαcҡ…..เƭ'ร σɳℓყ ƒσɾ เɳƭεɾεรƭε∂ ρεσρℓε αɳ∂ ƭɦσรε ƭɦαƭ αɾε ɾεα∂ყ ƭσ ɱαҡε εאƭɾα เɳcσɱε σɾ ƭσ ɠαเɳ ƒเɳαɳcเαℓ รƭαɓเℓเƭყ. รεαɾcɦ ƒσɾ ɦเɱ σɳ tele-gram 👇

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